Revised from DISGUISE OF SANITY Pepperbox Books ©
“They [Bittaker and Norris] lack the internal prohibitions, or conscience, that keep most of us from giving full expression to our most primitive, and sometimes violent, impulses.” – Forensic Psychiatrist Dr. Ronald Markman (1989)
Midnight Halloween, Shirley Ledford and friends catch a ride at their fastfood job. The driver stops for fuel and asks the riders to pay for gas so they can go to a party, but Shirley is tired and instead walks home. A silver van follows Ledford for a moment then stops directly in front of her. Smiling Roy Norris on the passenger side asks if she needs a lift. The girl enters the sliding door and Norris locks it shut while the driver, Lawrence Bittaker turns the radio loud and heads to Forest Lawn Cemetery.
Ledford would have been safer had she merely fallen into a shark tank.
The year before, while awaiting release from California Men’s Colony in San Luis Obispo, Lawrence Sigmond Bittaker and Roy Lewis Norris found they had something in common and made plans for their futures. Nothing too fancy, just a toolbox full of medieval agonies to be preserved in screams with a camera and sound recorder.
Lawrence Bittaker moved to California with his foster parents in 1952 and was first arrested five years later at 17. Following more arrests and time in juvenile jails for burglaries and property crimes, he took a stolen car across several state lines until he was stopped in Missouri. After caged for 19 months in a federal pen, angry Larry Bittaker is now unleashed on the world.
On the bus trip from prison back to Los Angeles he got friendly with four children and their mother. He listened to the mother’s problems and before arriving in Compton, California, they were making wedding plans. Only days out of confinement, Bittaker was already a married man and stepfather of four. He got an apartment but had trouble paying the rent, so he stole a car, committed a few burglaries and got himself back in jail. His new wife left him and Bittaker wrote at his probation hearing that he no longer trusted people because of what his wife had done to him.
A prison psychiatrist said after testing Bittaker that he had a “psycho-sexual disturbance’ and was “potentially homicidal,” although legally sane. He also scored near genius on his IQ test, but just didn’t seem to learn from his mistakes. For the next 20 years Bittaker was in and out of prisons for assault, burglary and grand theft. In 1975 he stabbed a Hollywood market checker in a robbery attempt but just avoided homicide by missing the victim’s heart with his knife strike. Bittaker told a judge reviewing his probation that prison was like home and he might kill if released. Three years later the state of California will gamble that Larry Bittaker had finally been rehabilitated. Let loose again in L.A., Bittaker gets a job as a machinist, lives in a Burbank motel and waits for his prison pal Roy Norris to get out of the joint soon.
Norris met Bittaker in 1977 while serving for a rape conviction, telling everyone who would listen how women had caused most of the problems of his life. Norris said that he liked to overwhelm women with “fear and terror” just as they had always done to him. Within a month of his release, Norris raped again, this time dumping the girl in the desert. He was sent to Atascadero State Hospital to get cured and was back on the streets in time to prepare with Bittaker the plans they had discussed in prison. They bought plastic tape, pliers, rope, knives and an ice pick, with other scream-makers in a toolbox. They also bought a camera and tape recorder. They drove into the mountains to find a nice, quiet spot that would snare screams, finding a fire road just above Glendora. They knew too that dead targets tell no tales.
And now it began.
The San Gabriel Mountains hide all screams
On June 24, 17-year old Lucinda Schaefer was coming home from bible-study class in Torrance near the beach. Bittaker slowed his van, nicknamed ‘Murder Mack’ where Norris yelled to the girl if she wanted a ride and smoke some dope. Cindy declined and continued walking. Norris jumped out and pulled Schaefer into the van, jamming a rag into her mouth and binding her wrists as Bittaker raced to the hills.
Arriving at their mountain hideaway, both men leisurely rape the girl, then discuss how she should die. Norris hedged against murder, but eventually agreed to kill her himself as Bittaker held Schaefer in place. He tried to strangle Cindy but faltered when the girl started crying. Bittaker, who was less moved by the girl’s tears tried to kill her but told Norris it was a lot tougher than on television. Both men fastened a coat hanger around her neck and slowly tightened with a pair of pliers. Later, according to Norris’ statement to police, when first trying to kill Schaefer he went out of the van and vomited. Whatever happened, Norris apparently got over his nervous compassion in time to murder the girl and go after the next target. When finished with Cindy, they carried her body to the edge of the hillside and threw it into the bush, figuring the animals would eat the evidence.
Schaefer’s nightmare had lasted several hours, but Bittaker wanted to experiment with more exotic agonies. There was a whole world of hitchhikers for him to finally play out his hungry daydrems. He planned to eventually build a small town to imprison kidnapped teenage girls. They would remain naked, chained, tortured and forced into sex acts. Larry could finally feel like a real man (or something) with all those little girls being scared witless. While Bittaker’s murder town was still on the blueprints he went looking for the next victim.
Andreas Hall was hitching and barely missed getting picked up by Bittaker, taking a ride with a car that stopped just ahead. But Bittaker and Norris followed the car carrying Andrea until she got out on a street corner. Then Bittaker offered her another ride and the poor girl got in.
Similar Silver Murder Mac
When he finished raping Hall, Norris went back down the mountain road for some food, leaving the girl with Bittaker, hearing sharp screams as he left. Norris brought back sandwiches and Bittaker gave him a stack of poloroid photos. All were stages of Hall’s pain and death. “I told her I was going to kill her to see what kind of argument she’d have for staying alive,” Bittaker said, gesturing to the mutilated girl. “She didn’t have much of an argument.” Norris couldn’t help noticing an ice pick plunged into her ear. It wasn’t fatal,” Bittaker said. “She also had to be strangled.” It wasn’t fatal, but not because he hadn’t tried. Bittaker had pushed the ice pick into one ear, all the way into her brain, but she was still alive. Then he turned Hall over to do the same to her other ear, stomping with his foot until the ice pick penetrated completely and the handle broke. But the girl was still breathing until the wire snapped.
Jackie Gilliam just happened to be hitchhiking when the Murder Mack drove by. Gilliam was careful who she rode with, but after analyzing blue-eyed, smiling Bittaker and be-speckled, slap-happy Norris, she never thought the men would do any more than carry her across town. Bittaker spotted another hitchhiker, 13-year old Jacqueline Lamp, and loaded her beside Gilliam. When the girls realized that the van was going away from their destinations, they waited for a moment to escape As the van slowed, Gilliam broke free and ran near a tennis court, Bittaker barely getting a hand on her, no one listening to her screams. Lamp is knocked unconscious by Norris as Gilliam passes out in the van while being tied by Bittaker.
Both girls wake at the mountain graveyard where they began two days of a very slow death.
50 pictures are exposed of the girls in various stages of poses and torture. Bittaker was getting more sophisticated at taking Polaroids and recording sounds, to capture just the right terrified look, the high-pitched scream. The men took humiliation pictures of both girls but only raped the older Gilliam. Lamp couldn’t stop crying and screaming so they fed her with tranquilizers. Next morning, Norris asked Bittaker to kill Gilliam fast because she had been cooperative, but Larry wanted the long way of execution, saying “they only die once, anyway.” As with Andreas Hall, he drove the ice pick through Gilliam’s ear as far as it could reach, then strangled her by coat hanger and pliers. As Jacky Lamp fell out of the open side door of the van he bludgeoned her to death with a sledgehammer. “She wanted to stay a virgin, so she died a virgin,” Bittaker told Norris as they threw the bodies down a ravine.
Bittaker wanted another victim for his 38th birthday and saw a girl jogging near the beach. She turned into a doughnut shop just as Norris was ready to grab her. They waited nearly an hour for the girl to get back onto the street, but she knew someone inside and kept taking. Bittaker got bored and drove down the highway, slowing as he saw a girl walking by herself. Bittaker got out to follow her as Norris drove the van, but the girl abruptly went into the El Camino College parking lot. Bittaker maneuvered the van to the side of the girl, Norris poised to spring out and abduct her, but she sensed danger and ran away. Not wanting his birthday to be completely wasted, he and Norris went to see a movie instead.
Two nights later, Bittaker follows a girl into the alleyway of her apartment. When he sees no witnesses, Bittaker sprays Mace from a squirt gun at her face. He thought it would be a better way to catch a target, but the chemical agent only makes her scream louder. Bittaker and Norris drive to the street when several neighbors come running. One of them memorizes the plate number.
Bittaker is arrested and initially charged with assault with a caustic chemical, but the rap gets dropped because Mace is a chemical irritant and not a caustic agent. The difference is considerable in both bail and possible sentencing. Bittaker gladly accepts the lighter charge of being an ex-con in possession of tear gas and walked out of the police station just in time for Halloween.
They drive into the San Fernando Valley and pick up attractive Shirley Ledford, just 16, around midnight on Halloween. With Ledford secure, Bittaker asks Norris to drive while he attacks the girl in the back. Norris drove for two hours as Bittaker mutilated Ledford with pliers and hammer, running the recorder until it ran out of tape.
From the court transcripts of the Bittaker-Norris Halloween tapes:
“At this point, after Bittaker had forced Shirley to fellate him, repeated sounds of an administered beating, interspersed with loud screams can be heard as Bittaker savagely beat Shirley about the breasts and, to a lesser degree, head. Bittaker then extracted his pliers from the tool box. Shirley then emits several high-pitched, prolonged screams and cries of agony as Bittaker alternately squeezes and twists her labia, clitoris, nipples and breasts with the pliers. Bittaker then returns the pliers to the tool box. Banging sounds can also be heard throughout, which are believed to have been made as Shirley came into contact with the walls and inner contents of the van as she writhed and flailed.”
Ledford: My God! Please stop it! (Screams)
Bittaker: Is the recorder going?
Norris: Yeah!
Bittaker: Scream baby! Scream some, baby.
Norris drives along the Golden State Freeway, then trades places with Bittaker. On tape, Norris taunts the girl to scream, then cracks her arm with a sledgehammer, breaking the elbow. With Ledford screaming, “Don’t hit me again!” Norris slams the sledge on her elbow 25 more times. After two hours, Bittaker prompts Norris to strangle the girl. He fashions a coat hanger around her neck, tightening with pliers as Bittaker had always done. “Do it,” Shirley Ledford begs. “Just kill me!“ are the last sounds on the tape.
Driving while still dark in the residential Tujunga area, Bittaker throws little Shirley’s remains in a front lawn ivy bed, wanting to read the reactions next day in the newsprint. Then he actually gets out and re-positions Ledford’s torn corpse with arms and legs spread-eagle, displaying her welted, deeply cut wrists and ankles from her struggle against the binding ropes.
Sitting in his motel room, Bittaker fondled bottles of acid he recently bought, preparing for the next adventure. He was going to pick up Norris, abduct another girl and experiment with the burning acid. What he didn’t know was that Norris had just been arrested with the purses of all the victims (along with other trophies) in his apartment, and that he was talking loudly to make a deal for his own life. Investigation of a kidnapping and rape first led detectives to Norris, and Bittaker got arrested later that day.
Inside Bittaker’s room are 500 sex and bondage photos of girls, along with acid and ingredients for making the bizarre elephant tranquilizer PCP. In his van investigators find many of the tapes (including the Ledford massacre), although Bittaker allegedly buried the rest of the snuff photos and other items by the Forest Lawn Cemetery.
Of Bittaker’s Polaroids, 19 of the women posed are identified as girls who had been reported missing. Los Angeles County Sheriff Peter Pitchess said that these teenagers were perhaps murdered as well.
Bittaker told authorities that he had merely given rides to the girls and paid them for sex, leaving them in the good company of Roy Norris. He was shocked, he said, to find that Norris had killed the poor “whores.”
When asked if he felt remorse over the dead girls, Roy Norris said that he only felt sorry that he had to rat on his partner to save is own neck.
While in jail, Bittaker asked an inmate to draw a picture of a girl on the cell wall, then he said to draw a coat hanger and pair of pliers under the figure. Later he sent around signed autographs as “Pliers Bittaker.” He called a federal agent from his jail cell to confess a rape and implicare Norris in a murder. Figuring that the mountain area where most of the girls were killed was a federal park, he would have a better chance under federal law rather than the state. There was no death penalty under fed statutes.
Deputy District Attorney C. Ramsey Randolph called Bittaker and Norris “Two mutates from Hell,” but soon the jury learned that even that epithet was an understatement. So hideous was the tape played in court of Shirley Ledford begging, crying, screaming in agony, with Bittaker commenting and laughing in the background that the defense had a tough job making the jury believe that he was not culpable.
People in the courtroom cried and/or ran into the lobby until the taped evidence was finished playing. Bittaker actually smiled while the tapes screamed. Kay couldn’t help crying himself, telling the media later, “I just picture those girls … how alone they were when they died.”
The young woman who had been maced from her apartment parking area but escaped from Norris and Bittaker was the only victim who had lived to testify. Regarding the other murdered who had no eyewitness, prosecutor Stephen Kay told the jury that when the murders are committed in Hell you don’t have angels for witnesses. Maybe we did have angels but they were all murdered.
When he agreed to take the witness stand, Bittaker cried, explaining his shock at the deaths of all the girls who he had generously given rides in the Murder Mac. The screams from the tapes were merely “pillow talk” from the girls to him. The tape, the physical evidence and the direct testimony of 68 witnesses had another story to tell. And so did Bittaker’s 250-page novel regarding many of the killings that he titled The Last Ride (that the jury did not hear).
The following day, Bittaker was no longer whiney and refused to tell where in Forest Lawn he buried the other snuff tapes and photos. As Randolph cross-examined him, Bittaker said that he thought “normal” rape was not a serious crime, adding “I’ve been raped!” The jury did not agree. After deliberating three days they found him guilty on all 23 felony counts, then heard arguments for the penalty phase of the trial.
“If the death penalty is not appropriate in this case,” Prosecutor Stephen Kay told the jury, “then when will it ever be?” adding, ‘I really apologize to you that all I can ask for is the death penalty. I wish I could ask you to do to this man what he did to these girls.’
Bittaker said he felt nothing for what he had done and continued to blame everyone else for his predicament. He only blamed himself for not having hidden the tapes and photos in the first place. The jury, however had no trouble blaming Bittaker for the murders and in 90 minutes voted for the death house. Torrance Superior Court Judge Thomas Fredricks confirmed the sentence, then added an additional 199 years, just in case the conviction was ever reduced or reversed.
During Roy Norris’ trial, his parole officer testified that Norris “never exhibited any remorse or compassion about his brutal, hideous behavior towards the victims … the defendant appears compulsive in his need to desire to inflict pain and torture upon women…(Norris) can realistically be regarded as an extreme sociopath, whose depraved, grotesque pattern of behavior is beyond rehabilitation.”
On April 28, 1981, Roy Lewis Norris was sentenced to 45 years to life, avoiding capital punishment as part of his plea deal. Nearly the same monster as Bittaker, Norris was up for parole in 2009 (but chose not to attend). He was again denied in 2019.
AFTERWARD
While in prison, Bittaker (like Gerard Schaefer) was having fun suing everyone in sight (for free, of course). So numerous and outrageous were his nuisance lawsuits that a judge declared him to be a “vexatious litigant,” and no longer allowed to file suits without approval of the court. Bittaker said in later interviews that his only remorse was getting caught. “Pliers” Bittaker has now lived on San Quentin’s death row for 34 years. Bittaker’s other business ventures included his autographed murdered girls autopsy reports – for a price.
The San Quentin Lethal Injection Room
In order to ‘desensitize’ FBI agents, the Bittaker-Norris audio tapes are unleashed at Academy recruits to show what they may be dealing with when encountering monsters disguised as humans.
Chief investigator of the Bittaker-Norris murders, 39-year old Detective Paul Bynum wrote in a 1987 suicide note that he could no longer live because of the slayings and worried that Bittaker and Norris would again be released onto the world.
Prosecutor Stephen Kay said that after the trial he always had the same nightmare; A girl enters Bittaker’s Murder Mac and Stephen runs so very fast to rescue her, but always, always he gets there just as the van drives away with the monsters laughing and the little girl screaming for someone to save her.
NOTE: On December 16, 2019, Lawrence Sigmond Bittaker did the world a favor by dying at San Quentin State Prison at the age of 79.
Two months later, on February 24, Roy Norris died at California Medical Facility, Vacaville, California. More later.
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Lawrence bittaker should
die now right now after the rape and
murder of 5 girls
Bittaker has died at 79, thank goodness.
I wonder what horrors would be in the other tape im so happy it was never found from that graveyard but im the tape when bittaker asked “where do you want me to cum?” ledford said “inside me inside me” but he kept asking what is wrong with him does he even have a brain…? oh and here is think link to here the tape again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHeTHenXNTk go to 16:56 to here the start of the tape and the end i hope no one as messed up as them never shows up ever again oh and im doing all of this in school sooooo its almost lunch time
The link to the tape is gone. Do you have a different one?
too bad the inmates didn’t get them
both these monsters should die now…….but not by lethal injection, thats to quick and no pain for them, they should be given a slow and long painful death…..like they gave those poor innocent girls. Put them in a room full of women with pliers, sledgehammers,and tools in a tool box,…….and beat and torture them for days on end so they live but are in total agony, then just leave them to die in a cell or feed them live to animals ……even all that would be way to good for them !! These monsters are pure evil, there should be a law where they can be fed alive to lions or sharks…..at least the animals would have a good meal, and these kind of monsters would have been some use at the end for feeding an animal !!! After all,…..these monsters are animals themselves !!
Bittaker is still alive because they can’t figure out a painless way to kill him. No joke.
Fug are you trying to say? Your think they’d be trying to figure out the MOST painful way of killing him! I for one, cast my vote for the medieval “pear” combined with drawing & quartering.
The bleeding hearts are petitioning for people to only get a painless death with the death penalty but they have’t found one so they stay alive.
I’m actually a liberal myself but not when it comes to these people.
yeah those medi [sic] evil type tortures that where [sic] agonising [sic] those two mutants are demonic and they inflicted the worst brutality imaginable on those poor victims especially poor shirley ledford i [sic] hears [sic] some of the tape of her screaming it was horrible and disturbing
Raven UK
If anyone deserves the death penalty these two monsters do, but it seems California coddles serial killers and the most evil of criminals.
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I wrote to Bittaker, and to this day he blames everyone else but told me that he was crying while writing the letter to me about his crimes. Damn I wish I could torture and kill the bastard!!!
Has he ever told the story of how he was raped. He claimed he was raped.
Why the f@ck did u write to that pos?
i was wondering that myself
Why is Bittaker still alive? He should have suffered the death penalty years ago. What will he say to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings when he closes his eyes in death and faces the Great White throan judgment. The blood of his victims will cry out against him
Lord of Lords? You must mean Allah.
I just feel so horrible for those girls having been tortured so horribly by those men, I mean for fucks sake that girl’s privates were torn and her elbow was pulverized! Can you imagine the pain? Everybody focuses on the killers but not the girls that were killed.
No offense, but it is anybodies fault who get themselves killed especially prositutes and hitchhikers, who are basically asking for trouble, and are way too stupid to say no to strangers. Even I’m smart enough to not trust anyone cause trust can get people dead. I wish people would realize, it is all of their fault to what happened, they couldn’t even put up a fight and get away, even I can fight people that are way stronger and bigger than me and I am a girl surprisingly. So I am not trying to sound harsh but the victims of weirdos got what they deserved, cause they had no brain apparently!!!.
Jesus you’re the worst
I so agree! Omg who says s**t like that? These girls did NOT deserve any of what was done to them! Talk about being stupid. Did she not read that Schaefer’s ankles and wrists were cut up from trying to escape these monsters?? F**king moron.
She is she’s clearly the one with “no brain” and also too stupid to know the different between 2017 and 1970. What an idiot.
You are as sick as these murdering psychos. May God have mercy on your soul.
you are so stupid and a cheeky wh0re who the hell do you think you are?
Most everyone who writes on this wall calls him/herself “Anonymous,” including yourself. Kindly be more specific who your target of insult is and for what reason they (rather than their thoughts) are “stupid and cheeky,” Anonymous #9. And read my comment from 2017/06/23.
He was talking to the girl who tried to victim blame all murdered women by assuming they must have done something wrong where if she’d even read the story she’d know some said no and walked off only to be hauled forcibly into the van and not to mention this was back in the 70s when you didn’t read about vile crimes all the time.
Thanks for the clarification.
Not all of the “girls”, and I quote girls, got into the van willingly. Both of these monsters practiced ruses for getting the girls into the van way beforehand and then practiced how to abduct those who wouldn’t fall for the ruse. That was one of the purposes for the van, to be able to NOT have to open the door all the way and NOT having to stop the vehicle completely, it was extremely well “planned”. If you read just a little more on these 2 whackos they had at least 300 practice runs on girls they did absolutely nothing to before they ultimately chose their very first victim Lucinda and proceeded to rape and murder her, compared to their evolution of psychotic torture and barbaric killing methods, in a relatively non-heinous way. The first kill opened the door for “learning” how their sick minds reacted to every detail of their crimes and ultimately fostered the “evolution’ of their depravity.
A “victim” is NEVER at fault you moron. Even those stupid enough to accept a ride from someone who is deranged. Hindsight is always 20/20 and every human being on earth has been taught to fear those we don’t know who offer a ride or candy or whatever but for some reason a large percentage of these criminally insane psychopaths have an inept capacity to “blend” into society as normal and in a lot of cases trustworthy. A VICTIM is a VICTIM!!!! No one deserves anything even those who for whatever reason lose a sense of reason and common sense.
Do some more research before commenting. Most of these girls declined these 2 psycho f**ktarts advances only to be taken against their will a little further up the road!!
In the 1970s a lot of teens had not been taught fear of strangers. But some of these girls refused and were hauled in. The last one knew Norris socially so assumed someone who knew a lot of people she knew wouldn’t harm her, and there was one or two who said yes because marajuana was offered.
No woman deserves that torture, I do agree with watching out for yourself; but a few of these women didn’t have a chance as Bittaker jumped out of the van and grabbed them as they were walking. Your comment about how those poor girls deserved what ultimately happened to them sickens and upsets me, I just don’t understand how you being a woman would make those statements. Even though you claim to be “street smart” catch you at the wrong time and someone jumps out of a van and grabs you? That’s it girl, you better fight. Hope that someone doesn’t make statements like that about you one day. That creeps me out.
Also she’s too stupid to know that 1970s were a different era they didn’t hear on the news every day that someone was murdered. They didn’t have internet.
A lot of women victim blame in order to reinforce the very delusional idea that it could “never happen to me” because “I’m not dumb like them”. It’s pretty sad and dangerous, because those women think they’re impervious to assault because they’re just so smart.
I’m hoping you’re just a troll, but in case you’re not, and just stupid and mean, remember that no one deserves rape, torture or murder, let alone all three, especially children, ffs! These were little girls! Plus, this happened in the 70s and early 80s, when EVERYF**KINGBODY hitchhiked! Now, go to hell where your friends Bittaker and Norris will soon join you, you stupid f**k.
Uh some of those girls said “no” when asked to get in the van and smoke dop and they walked on by but then Norris ran out and grabbed them and gagged them and heaved them into the van. The last girl who had the worst torture of all was friendly with Norris as a regular customer at the bar where she worked so probably thought he wasn’t a stranger and wouldn’t harm a girl he saw every day and that everyone knew he knew her, and she probably thought it was safer to go the last mile from her home with someone she knew than to walk in the dark. She should have stayed with her friends though but also this was like the 70s when parents didn’t put the fear of God into their kids. Lots of girls hitchhiked as they hadn’t even heard stories of murders yet back in those days.
Yes, because these young, unsuspecting girls & women were walking in public they clearly deserved to be tortured/raped/murdered in the most horrific ways possible. That’s not victim-blaming at all. Women should just stay indoors after sundown or never leave the house without 5 armed bodyguards walking on all sides of them, right? 😐
They weren’t prostitutes, nor were all of them hitch-hikers. You must be a stupid tween or millennial who has no clue what the ’70s were like. Hitch hiking was not considered dangerous & “stranger danger” was not a thing yet. Abductions & kidnappings were not something the whole country was paranoid about yet, so people had different attitudes than they do today.
Not that any of that matters. NOBODY deserves to be brutally assaulted like that. Based on your argument, any woman with an intellectual disability who can’t make good decisions “deserves” to be murdered. Anyone who’s handicapped & can’t run fast enough “deserves” to be grabbed & raped. Anyone who’s not strong enough physically to fight back “deserves” to be tortured on film.
That’s the sickest thing I’ve ever heard, and from a female! Keep telling yourself it could never happen to you, honey. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I just hope you’re not delusional enough to actually believe that.
I cannot believe what I just read. F**k you. F**K you for saying these girls deserved what they got. I normally don’t get upset about online posts but what you just said is sick. You are a sick excuse for a human being
Um your comment was stupid the entire comment idiot they all werent hitchikers cindy was snatched and shirley he frequented the resturant where she worked the 2 other girls was just to trusting one hitched hiked do your research even if not you could be your daughter neice friends or family that make the one mistake or walk pass and get snatched. Do your research first dear before commenting i wouldnt wish this on anybody no women deserves that hitchikers prostitutes etc….cindy was coming from bible study really the ignorants of some people no women deserves that.
Nah, in reality, if two men in a van want you badly enough, they’ll take you one way or another. These men were absolutely going to torture and kill these girls, so putting up a “fight” 2 vs 1 isn’t realistic. You in reality can try and escape, but we both know you’re not going to get away.
Motherf****r….. how dare you
How old are you ? 16?
Sounds to be about 12.
Troll
you’re Disgusting, No one should Respect you because you cant even show Respect when it matters
would you feel that way if your sister was the victim? what a shitty thing to write about victims deserved it??? you suck
well you can always fight. But fighting and winning are two different things. Judging so easily over ALL victims of weirdoes just shows that you really are not smart. If you don`t trust any person around you you are just anti-social and a weirdo yourself. Most of murders happen in families where the closest people hurt each other. Being stupid does not get you to earn a death penalty. Otherwise saying stupid things also should…which would not be in your favor apparently…
That’s all you would have left is to fight, if you are abducted; may as well just give in and die or make it hard for them. I trust no one at all, I used to be the morbid type in my teens and 20’s, so I did a lot of reading on serial killers and true crime in general. It really does teach you a lot about what evil is out in this world. That’s why I’ve never trusted anyone. Now I can’t stand reading about crimes like this anymore as it just gives me the creepiest feelings and I get despaired about the victims. It’s been a very long time since I last read about these two sadistic monsters, my stomach is in knots. Just the way they prided themselves makes me want to vomit.
These guys are really with the duct tape, the handcuffs and gags etc…so that they usually can’t fight.
Cry babies in the comments. Not one of you have it in you to take a human life so please stop embarrassing yourselves on the internet.
I feel bad for thoughs [sic] unfortunate people in prison who’s [sic] got them self [sic] in a position which they cant [sic] control specially the ones who’s (who have)? only done minor deals(.)? I think prisons should be situated (for)? the killers in one part and the minor law breakers in the other because lifers (have)? got nothing to lose. its ok to kill someone over protection or if your (you’re)? fighting for your country but sick bastards like them (Bittaker and Norris)? deserve torture for the rest of there meaningless life(,)? not mercy but pure torture[.]? (T)the court should jugh [sic] them by there [sic] intent(.)? a(A) (or K)killer(s)? like them who gets (get) off on others misfortune should have no opinion not simply agree to the terms of law its (is)? bullshit(.)? I would feel no empathy or remorse for a person who kills and has a pathetic accuse [sic] to kill because no one can imagine what was going on in a innocent persons(‘s)? head when there [sic] getting physically slattered [sic] (.)? I would (,)? if possible torture that person for what he’s done to his victims and the suffering of the family’s tragedy(.)? I don’t give the(A)? shit if that person has an(a)? mental issue(.)? I don’t understand Why a person would take a humans(‘s) life to satisfi [sic] (?)there’s(?) (D)?doesn’t it make you more pathetic and weak(?) I can’t get the picture(,) it (just)? disgusts me.
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The worst thing about the death penalty is that the bad guys are not only never put to death, but they get to live in relative peace on death row. Put these bastards in with the general population where they can experience constant fear of being beaten or raped by bigger, badder inmates.
I don’t think death row is very kush, but I do agree. They should be put into the general population. Just like life. What’s fair is fair. They don’t deserve any special treatment. They’re big boys and can take responsibility for their acions.
This country’s judicial system is a joke. OJ Simpson walks free while Robert Dewey was convicted and spent nearly 18 years in jail for a rape and murder he didn’t commit. If you do not know the case check it out. Mistakes happen and I get it. “They” were humble enough to admit their mistake and turn Dewey loose. Which I really applaud because someone was diligent enough to go back and check a 20 year old piece of evidence for DNA, which implicated another murderer. Yet, the same system allows these fucks to file appeal after appeal. Bittaker cannot even submit an appeal anymore without the authorization of a judge. More importantly-and this seems to be one of the more common similarities I tend to see in sadistic rapists and murderers-the same system had already jailed them multiple times-and then let them go. Not once, not twice, but both were jailed at least three times before committing the murders!!!
Norris was convicted for beating the shit out of a girl in San Diego with a fucking rock and then smashing her head into the curb. He also was convicted for rape. Bittaker however, who I think we’d all agree seems to be the alpha of the duo, had previously only been jailed for theft and one count of attempted murder for stabbing the poor super
Market worker for accusing him of stealing a steak. Honestly I can see letting Bittaker out on a parole but letting someone like Norris back out there sounds incredibly risky and I believe the psych report said he was no longer a danger to society. Good call guys. I never hear about this psychiatrists getting shit for their horrible decisions, e.g. Ed Kemper.
These two are among the worst serial killers I’ve ever studied and I whole heartedly agree with Steven Kay’s sentiment that if the death penalty is ever appropriate this was the time.
I’m not sure about that. I think some of them get horribly lonely or bored. I read something about Bitaker talking to an interviewer about a Christian couple who regularly visit him and his telling the interviewer “They’re just really good people” and crying as he said it, which would indicate at least that he’s pretty lonely and going a bit mad from loneliness.
The murder mack is in the hall of fame somewhere? I’d love to see it
I’d love for them to have their genitals crudely twisted off with pliers while ice picks are jammed into their ears & they’re finally strangled to death as they scream & flail like their helpless victims did. Violence is the only language some animals understand. The fact that taxpayers are financing their 35+ years on death row & all Bittaker’s ridiculous lawsuits is infuriating. Fry the bastards already!
Exactly!! Or do my method with the shank and crucify with knives stolen from kitchen.
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HEY PUT THOSE 2 DEMONS IN A CELL WHERE KNOWN SHANKERS ARE. THOSE DIDES [sic] WILL SHANK THEM UP THEIR ASS UNTIL THEY BLEED TO DEATH. OR CRUCIFY THEM IN THE CELL WITH KNIVES STOLEN FROM THE KITCHEN.
Finally closure for the murdered victims families. Don’t understand why he was allowed to exist so long on death row, wheels of justice certainly came to a screeching halt here.
Thank goodness both of them are in hell now.
Reading about what they did to those poor girls is not heart breaking, it’s heart SHATTERING. I have daughters close now to the ages those girls were when they were so heartless brutalized and murdered. I can’t even begin to know the horror and devastation this caused to their loved ones. I’m glad those two monsters are dead, but I think a fitting punishment for them both would have been along the lines of “an eye for an eye”….they should have been made to suffer the same way they made their victims suffer. Exactly. The. Same. Way.
to the anonymous piece of s..t stating “I am not trying to sound harsh but the victims of weirdos got what they deserved, cause they had no brain apparently!!!” – i never EVER say or said this to anyone, but PLEASE GO AND F…ING KILL YOURSELF!!! YOUR COMMENT MADE ME PHYSICALLY SICK!!! I NEVER WANTED SOMEONE THAT BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!! – AND YOU ARE A WOMAN YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS SCUM – SOMEONE LIKE YOU SHOULDN’T EXIST ON THIS PLANET!!! I HOPE YOU F…ING DIE AND ROT IN HELL AND I HOPE SOME DEVIL LIKE BITTAKER FINDS YOU THERE AND !!!!!YOU!!!!! WILL GET WHAT !!!!YOU!!! DESERVE, YOU DISGUSTING EVIL PIECE OF F…ING S..T! I THOUGHT I´D NEVER SAY THAT TO ANONY BUT: PLEASE! GO AND F…ING KILL YOURSELF!!!! NO ONE WANTS YOU ON THIS EARTH YOU ABSOLUTE SCUM!!!!
You may not read this, POS, but Karma will get you, if it hasn’t already!!!! How can you even THINK what you wrote, let alone leave a comment like this?!? I just prayed to the universe that – if someone has to die – and people have to die on this goddamn planet everyday for no reason – if a murderer has to choose his next victim: I HOPE HE WILL CHOOSE YOU! YES, I WANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DEAD! Never felt so much hatred and anger towards a f…ing troll and I know the phrase “Don’t feed the troll” but I just CAN’T !! As I said: KARMA WILL GET YOU!!! KARMA WILL F…ING GET YOU!
Where did you get the information about him meeting a woman and her children on a bus? I’ve never heard of that.